The HighWire Episode 145: WHO IS LYING TO YOU? Links & Notes
EPISODE 145: WHO IS LYING TO YOU?
Highlights from “The HighWire”; Jefferey Jaxen reports from Occupy Trenton in New Jersey; Top World Health Officials’ Shocking Admissions About Vaccine Safety.
ORIGINAL AIR-DATE: January 9, 2020
https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/who-is-lying-to-you/
2:07-14:52 Review of last 3 years of HighWire shows
[Del Bigtree]: “Here in California, citizens across this great state have been standing on the highwire this week.”
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[Del Bigtree]: “Get ready for this folks. This is breaking. Upper respiratory and gastrointestinal infections were reported in about 55% and 40% of vaccinees respectively. This is the misinformation they don’t want you to hear. … I don’t know how no one in media covering this.”
[Del Bigtree]: “If I stop you on the street, you’ll say, ‘Oh yeah, I don’t trust Pharma. Pharma, you know, they try to poison us. They just want us on drugs all the time.’ What is it though when we say vaccines, they say, ‘Oh, no, I believe in vaccines.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Is there fetal cell lines being used in vaccines? By the king, by the godfather of vaccines, here it is, in his own words, Plotkin on vaccines.”
[Aaron Siri, Lead counsel ICANdecide.org]: “In your entire career, how many fetuses have you worked with? Approximately”
[Dr Plotkin, Expert on Vaccines, Author “Plotkin’s Vaccines”]: “Well, I don’t remember the exact number. But quite a few when we were studying them originally. Before we decided to use them to make vaccines.”
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[Aaron Siri, Lead counsel ICANdecide.org]: “This study involved 74 fetuses, correct?”
[Dr Plotkin, Expert on Vaccines, Author “Plotkin’s Vaccines”]: “Oh, I don’t remember exactly how many. … Yeah, 76.”
[Del Bigtree]: “End of story. Mic drop.”
[Del Bigtree]: “We are making it possible for these people to speak. All the scientists around the world. All the doctors that are now recognizing, ‘Oh, snap. I’m on the wrong side of history.”
[Dr Rachael Rodd, MD, PhD, Former Host, The Doctors]: “I didn’t realize how many physicians aren’t telling the truth. You know their giving shot schedules that they’re not even using on their own kids. They call me all the time. Or email me, ‘your so brave’. Here we go with this brave thing again. But it’s not really bravery. It’s just really telling the truth. And doing what’s right.”
[Del Bigtree]: “It shouldn’t be brave to stand up to your own oath to do no harm.”
[Dr Sherri Tenpenny, DO]: “I kept reading more studies and more studies. I started thinking sooner or later I would find something that made sense. Something that was really true science. … How dare we challenge that holy water that’s coming through that syringe.”
[Dr Jim Meehan, MD, Internist]: “We’re all being silenced. And we’re all just trying to be good scientists. Good citizens. Trying to you know, bring some light and shed some light on an industry that is too powerful, too wealthy, and too likely to continue using tobacco science.”
[Dr Paul Thomas, MD, Pediatrician]: “3345 patients born into my practice in the last 10 & ½ years. …”
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[Dr Paul Thomas, MD, Pediatrician]: “There were 715 with zero vaccines., unvaccinated. Of those 3,145 – 1 case of autism.
[Dr James Neuenschwander, MD, Board Certified Emergency & Integrative Medicine]: “If we don’t change the course of where we’re at right now, we will have noting but chronically ill children and adults.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Finally, finally a doctor that is willing to tell the truth, willing to put it on the line, and make the obvious statements.”
[Dr Lawrence B. Palevsky, M.D., Pediatrician]: “Now it’s over the counter medicine, which are dangerous for the baby. Now it’s antibiotics right away. And most of the time when children have fever, it’s not an infection.
[Dr Suzanne Humphries, MD]: “They measured the rates of use of fever reducers in children after they got their MMR’s and how that correlated to autism problem. And they found that there was a twenty times higher rate of autism in those children who were vaccinated and given fever reducers.”
[Dr Bob Sears, MD, Pediatrician, Co-host, The Vaccine Conversation]: “If you r exposed to measles, and you get two days of very high dose vitamin A, that lowers the, the complications of diseases dramatically.”
[Dr Michael Dym, VMD, Homeopath Veterinarian]: “We were doing the vaccines pretty regularly. Every one year. Some every three years. But I started to notice a pattern. The immune systems of these animals were overreacting.”
[JB Handley, Author, “How To End The Autism Epidemic”]: “We have 54% of children with chronic illness. We have 15 to 20% of children in special education in schools. These are unmitigated disasters that are gonna bring our country down. This is a massive change in thirty years. And we are offering up a pretty plausible explanation for the primary, not singular, primary trigger of all those epidemics. The autoimmunity side of the chronic disease equation, I would argue that that’s scientific fact. That we know the vaccines are triggering autoimmunity.”
[Jorge Araujo, Former Merck Scientist]: “How do we know that vaccines are safe? What’d we do to determine their safety? These are basic questions. And what I’m suggesting is that while I was at Merck, the answers that come back are superficial. And that’s usually code for, “I don’t know.” That’s the third [garbled]”
[Del Bigtree]: “I think you would agree with me that autoimmune diseases are an incredible rise right now.”
[Denise Faustman, Director of immunobiology, Massachusetts General Hospital]: “Yep”
[Del Bigtree]: “Certainly, in America. Is it possible that we have less autoimmune disease when we were more often in contact with tuberculosis?”
[Denise Faustman, Director of immunobiology, Massachusetts General Hospital]: “Absolutely. … You get tuberculosis, but before the age of 12, you did not get multiple sclerosis. You don’t get type 1 diabetes. “
[Del Bigtree]: “Wow”
[Del Bigtree]: “Support the HPV vaccines?”
[Dr Sin Less, MD, Pathologist]: “Ah, no. At the very beginning, I felt ah, ah, it was unnecessary. If any woman [garbled] cervical cancer in the United States, under regular gynecological care, potential [garbled]”
[Del Bigtree]: “Wow”
[Dr Andrew Wakefield, MBBS, Academic Gastroenterologist]: “I was trained in medicine to listen and to act upon what I hear. And that was my duty. And so here was a mother with a compelling story desperately seeking help for her child. And I was in a position potentially to do something to help. And to walk away from her and say, ‘no I’m not gonna do it’ or ‘this story about the vaccine in very interesting but it’s not good for my career so just find someone else’. It’s not the way I was trained to practice medicine.”
[Brent Wisner, JD, MPP, Lead Trial Counsel, Dewayne “Lee” Johnson V. Monsanto]: “The volume with which RoundUp is being sprayed, glyphosate is being sprayed, is at a rate that the world has never seen.”
[Varey Gillam, Author, White Wash, careygilliam.com, journalist targeted by Monsanto]: “We have learned so much over the last few months from these discovery documents that plaintiff’s lawyers in the RoundUp litigation have been obtaining.”
[Robert F Kennedy Jr., Co-counsel with Bret Wisner]: “Monsanto, it seemed up until this moment seemed until Bret Wisner came along like untouchable corporation.”
[Brent Wisner, JD, MPP, Lead Trial Counsel, Dewayne “Lee” Johnson V. Monsanto]: “The jury awarded unanimously punitive damages and we have a two billion dollar verdict against them which is …”
[Del Bigtree]: “Two billion with a B.”
[Brent Wisner, JD, MPP, Lead Trial Counsel, Dewayne “Lee” Johnson V. Monsanto]: “That’s right.”
[Del Bigtree]: “We are live from Israel.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Lisbon, Portugal.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Seattle, Washington”
[Del Bigtree]: “The capital in Mississippi.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Atlanta, GA. Home of the CDC at an incredible conference discussing the dangers of aluminum.”
[Dr Yehuda Shoenfeld, MD, Israeli Physician Autoimmunity Researcher]: “Aluminum is one of those adjuvants. It’s very cheap, very effective in stimulating the immune system. And therefore, in most of the vaccines that use the aluminum as an adjuvant.”
[Prof, Christopher Exley, PhD, Aluminum expert]: “Why did it become an epiphany for me in terms of aluminum and autism? Well, simply because we measured some of the highest levels of brain aluminum ever by our group or indeed by any other group.”
[Dr Theresa Deisher, PhD, President, Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute]: “We absolutely know that the levels of DNA in these vaccines get into our children’s blood stream.”
[Del Bigtree]: “What is your feeling about the climate now around this vaccine science?
[Dr Romain Gherardi, MD, Aluminum expert]: “Terrible. Is very difficult to, to… to work with serenity. We are attacked every day from every part of the of the, of the landscape. Ah, the general press is aggressive, ah, the health authorities are aggressive. The government is not supporting. And uh, it is a difficult issue. Ah, but it is such an important issue… that… we must insist. We must insist.”
[Nico LaHood, ESQ, Former District Attorney, San Antionio, TX]: “I’m the one that gets anxiety when he’s trapped in, in that prison of the spectrum of autism looking at me. He looks at me. I see it. Hi pop, I’m gonna get outta here. I’m gonna do it. I didn’t do anything to get in here. How do I get out. He seems alive in there. And the one thing that I will not do is tell him, ‘Son, I’m too much of a chicken-shit to tell your story.’ “
[Catie Clobes, 6-month-old died after vaccination]: “This was the night before she died. She was so big. She was so smart. [crying] I go through it every night. I think about it. Just two, two needles. Two pokes. And thirty-six hours and her body and her brain were shutting down in front of me. I just didn’t know it.”
[Jenny McCarthy, The Jenny McCarthy Chow, SiriusXM Stars]: “The first thing I did was Oprah. It was pretty fantastic, you know Oprah said to me, which I don’t think I told my people. But ah, just before we went live she said, ‘I just want you to know something. We’ve been trying to do this show for ten years. We’ve been getting letters. And I said we have to wait until somebody tells the story. And you finally tell the story. And we have to do the show live. Because otherwise, I’ll be prevented from doing it.”
[Taylor Winterstein, Founder, Tay’s Way]: “It is getting to be very scary um, in Australia. But at the same time, it’s very exciting because a lot of people are asking questions. A lot of people are coming out now. A lot of people are being brave as we say to really think about what’s happened to their children. And the whole thing with the #dothestudy is we want to know. Give us the proof that our children are actually more of a threat.”
[Dr Toni Bark, MD, Integrative Physician]: “The one thing I give it to the industry, I give to the industry is that they have amazing marketing PR strategies. They do. Let’s make it socially unacceptable to say no to a vaccine.”
[Dr Peter R Breggin, MD, Harvard-Trained Psychiatrist]: “It’s a combination of two medicines big government and big industry.”
[Del Bigtree]: “The government’s cheating. Their committing fraud. It we do not stand up right now and say enough is enough.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Children are being injured. People are marching. Thousands are here today.”
[Robert F Kennedy Jr]: “It is a crime to pass a law that will mandate this dangerous and risky pharmaceutical product to every one of your children.”
[Unidentified speaker at rally]: “Whether you are black, white, Muslim, Jewish, etcetera we will not stand, we will not consent and we will not go away until we truly realize freedom, justice, and equality.”
[Michael Evan, DVM]: “I strongly feel this is my truth, by someone very well trained in the scientific method evidence-based medicine that vaccinations in general are one of the most harmful, if the most harmful medical interventions of modern science.”
[Dr Andrew Wakefield, MBBS, Academic Gastroenterologist]: “So, this mutant has emerged and now those who’ve been vaccinated have decreased immunity to this virus.”
[Dr Toni Bark, MD, Integrative Physician]: “We haven’t seen the worst of it. We haven’t seen it come to its head yet. I mean this is gonna get worse before it gets better.’
[woman]: “Healthy babies do not just die.”
[Del Bigtree]: “I believe we all choose to be alive in this moment in time. We are being called like our founding fathers and those of us that fought for truth before us from Martin Luthor King and on, all of them, everybody that stood for the smaller idea that minority that oftentimes does have it right. I think we’re gonna win this. I actually …”
[Dr Toni Bark, MD, Integrative Physician]: “Well, truth is on our side.”
[Del Bigtree]: “Truth is on our side. Throughout history, it always wins.”
[Jenny McCarthy]: “And there’s never been a time more than right now that we’ve got to fight, fight with everything we’ve got.”
[Nico LaHood, ESQ, Former District Attorney, San Antionio, TX]: “We have to worry about those statistics that you have reported on. Thank you for doing that.”
[female speaker]: “You guy’s show is a huge tool for us.”
[male speaker]: “The work that you guys are doing [garbled] work. Your educating people. You’re teaching them how to think through this. That’s that’s so important.”
[Dr Jim Meehan, MD, Internist]: “If we ever lose the journalistic integrity that your manifesting, um, we are we’re likely doomed.”
[female speaker]: “We have to put a lot of work and time and effort in, in small groups at a time but you know, that’s how the world’s been changed, one person at a time.”
[Del Bigtree]: “This is the HighWire. We’re gonna keep bringing you the science as we find it. Whether from the FDA, the CDC, Health and Human Services, the British medical journal, the list goes on and on. The real science can be found here every week. And I’ll see you next week on the HighWire.”
16:51 The Danger Of Eliminating Vaccine Exemptions
WHITE PAPER - The Danger Of Eliminating vax Exemptions
https://icandecide.org/article/the-danger-of-eliminating-vaccine-exemptions/
WHITE PAPER
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Publications-Regarding-Vaccine-Safety-1.pdf
17:05 Vaccine Safety White paper
Introduction To Vaccine Safety And Policy In The United States
https://icandecide.org/article/introduction-to-vaccine-safety-and-policy-in-the-united-states/
White Paper
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017-1.pdf
17:14 The Vaccine Safety Project
https://icandecide.org/article/the-vaccine-safety-project-2/
Presentation available in PowerPoint and Keynote useful for using with your community leaders
17:37 How Aluminum Adjuvants In vax Cause Autism
https://icandecide.org/article/how-aluminum-adjuvants-in-vaccines-can-cause-autism/
White Paper
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ICAN-AluminumAdjuvant-Autism-2.pdf
17:49 Book: ICAN vs. HHS The Great Vaccine Debate
https://thehighwire.shop/collections/books/products/ican-vs-hhs-the-great-vaccine-debate
Also available online here:
ICAN v. HHS
https://icandecide.org/article/hhs/
19:16 HHS admits no safety studies required by law
ICAN vs. HHS: Key Legal Win Recasts Vaccine Debate
19:20 NIH No Safety of Aluminum Adjuvants
NIH Concedes it has No Studies Assessing the Safety of Injecting Aluminum Adjuvants
22:04 Battle of Trenton
BATTLE OF TRENTON: PART 1
https://thehighwire.com/videos/battle-of-trenton-part-1/
BATTLE OF TRENTON: PART 2
https://thehighwire.com/videos/battle-of-trenton-part-2/
BATTLE OF TRENTON: PART 3
23:24 Battle is still on
23:29 JEFFEREY JAXEN REPORTING LIVE
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24:52 NJ SB 2173
New Jersey Senate Bill 2173 (Prior Session Legislation)
Senate Bill 2173
https://legiscan.com/NJ/bill/S2173/2018
25:19 How does this affect the politicians
28:10 Trying to amend the bill
They are trying to add some restrictive religious exemptions to the bill.
28:27 Drs Teri & Stuart Warner
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29:20 How does this affect the politicians
The Senators hearing the people expressing their desires outside the building makes a big difference.
30:34-31:04 NJ Senate pres. Sweeny breakfast
[NJ Senate President Stephen Sweeny, Ocean County Mayor’s Meeting Jan 7, 2020]: “We talked to every single medical, every single medical association in the state, every doctors group in this state all the, all the medical professionals on the side of vaccination. … The reason for a religious exemption was back in the 50’s and 60’s they used fetal tissue in vir, to make the vaccines. That was the reason why. They don’t do that now. They don’t.”
[unidentified male speaker, Ocean County Mayor’s Meeting Jan 7, 2020]: “Yes, they do.”
[NJ Senate President Stephen Sweeny, Ocean County Mayor’s Meeting Jan 7, 2020]: “No, they don’t.”
32:12 Vaccine Excipient Summary
excipient-table-2
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
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32:25 Is this getting any traction
34:04 How to follow Drs Teri & Stuart Warner
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Drs.Teri.Stu.Warner.Wellness.Parenting.Revolution/
34:35 END LIVE JAXEN REPORT
34:36 Everything each of us does matters
36:01 WHO Vaccine Safety Summit
https://www.who.int/news-room/events/detail/2019/12/02/default-calendar/global-vaccine-safety-summit
36:10 Dr Marion Gruber; Director, Office Of Vaccines Research And Review Center For Biologics Evaluation And Research, FDA
36:11 Dr Soumya Swaminathan; Chief scientist, W.H.O.; Pediatrician
36:12 Dr Heidi Larson, MA PhD; Anthropologist, Director of The Vaccine Confidence Project
36:13 Dr David Kaslow, MD; V.P., Essential Medicines, Drug Development Program PATH Center for Vaccine Innovation and Access (CVIA)
36:14 Dr Bassey Okposen; Program Manager, National Emergency Routine Immunization Coordination Centre (NERICC), Abuja, Nigeria
36:16 Dr Martin Howell Friede; Coordinator, Initiative for Vaccine Research, WHO
36:17 Dr Robert Chen, M.D.; Scientific Director, Brighton Collaboration
36:18 Dr Stephen Evans; Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology
37:26 WHO thinks vax hesitancy is greatest threat
37:51-38:31 News says vaccines are safe
[female speaker, UW Medicine]: “Measles vaccine is incredibly safe. It is incredibly effective. … This is a safe and effective vaccine.”
[female reporter, CNN LIVE]: “Vaccines are safe and effective.”
[female doctor, WESH channel 2]: “Vaccines are safe and effective.”
[Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, World Health Organization Director General]: “safe and effective”
[male speaker]: “That their effective.”
[Dr Plotkin]: “safe and effective”
[President Obama]: “Safe and effective”
[Dr Richard Pan]: “Vaccines are safe and efficacious.”
[Dr Paul Offit]: “are safe”
[reporter, CNN]: “It’s completely safe.”
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Health]: “is a safe and highly effective vaccine.”
[Dr Fauci, The Ingraham Angle]: “Vaccines are safe. The MMR, the measles, mumps, rubella is a safe vaccine.
[Dr Dina Pfeifer, WHO regional Office for Europe]: “One hundred percent effective and one hundred percent safe. They’re very effective. They’re very safe. “
[doctor]: “We know that vaccines don’t cause autism.”
[Dr Redfield]: “Vaccines do not cause autism. Vaccines are safe.”
[Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Health]: “It’s as simple as that.”
39:47-41:07 Dr Larson presentation social media
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:14:53
[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“We’ve seen, ah, ah, a lot of news about the growing questioning environment, but what I’m trying to look at here is where does safety come up in the broader look at where the confidence problem is. And again, and again safety rises to the top. This is in the US. Um, ah, I’ve done a lot in the, in Europe. Wm, this was our first. Uh, we developed a vaccine confidence index, which we’ve been running for five years. Ah, we’re have under review now an analysis of two hundred fifty thousand [250,000] people on a hundred forty-eight countries. Un, we have all their background demographics and um, to look at what are the trends and patterns.”
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“But this is one of the first one’s we did, sixty-seven countries in 2016. And I was actually surprised at Europe being so acutely skeptical when it came to safety. I knew other countries were having some issues but uh, um, it was quite um, acute in Europe.”
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Ah, when we try to disaggregate that by different kinds of reasons, safety is the, is the biggest issue.”
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Safety is the biggest issue. Fear of side effects. Low sense of risk.”
41:10 VAXXED bus autistic after DTaP and all others
Millions of firsthand witnesses came forward to talk about their child being injured by vaccines. DTaP and every other one caused injuries that parents explained to Del while on the VAXXED tour. It is not just MMR. All of them are unsafe.
43:00 vax hesitancy by cat and num times
Determinants of vaccine hesitancy by category and number of times recorded
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NOTICE: Vaccine safety is triple compared to the other lines.
43:13 What drive low confidence
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Here the main things are: Fear of side effects and Low risk of contracting the disease and they did not believe the disease was severe. The safety of the vaccines is a bigger worry.
43:26 telling your story has a powerful effect
43:57-44:42 Medicals have concerns too
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:16:22
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“The other thing that’s a trend and an issue is not just confidence in providers but confidence of healthcare providers. We have a very wobbly health professional front line that is starting to question vaccines and the safety of vaccines. That’s a huge problem because to this day, any study I’ve seen and we’re constantly looking on any studies on, in this space, still the, the most trusted person on any study I’ve seen globally is the healthcare provider. And if we loss that, we’re in trouble.”
44:47 Del explains
It is not just people who are hearing these stories and realizing there are problems with vaccines. Doctors are realizing there are problems.
Taking the White Papers like the Vaccine Safety white paper to doctors and asking them to read it makes a difference. Print it out and hand them out to doctors. It makes a difference.
46:05-46:37 Doctors are barely trained about vaccines
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:17:09
[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“We’ve talked about it earlier some of the challenges are when the frontline ah, professionals are starting to question or they don’t feel like they have enough confidence about the safety to stand up to it to the person asking them the questions. Most medical school curriculums, even nursing curriculums, I mean in medical school your lucky if you have a half day on vaccines, never mind keeping up to date with all this.”
46:40 Del discusses
This is the head investigator saying doctors and nurses are lucky if they a half day of training about vaccines. Out of eight years, we are lucky if they a half a day education about vaccines.
47:38-48:11 AIMS skit How to Stop and Anti-vaxxer
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How to Stop an Anti-vaxxer skit
https://x.com/HighWireTalk/status/1695500279695757678
Mother confronts doctor about what he knows about vaccines in a skit.
Transcript NOTE: This is satire. As with most humor, there is a giant kernel of truth here.
[Doctor]: “You are concerned that I don’t know the ingredients in the vaccines that we’re gonna be giving your baby today?”
[Mother]: “[foul-word redacted] right I am. Vaccinating is what you’ve been doing for what, twenty years? You don’t know the ingredients?”
[Doctor]: “So what?”
[Mother]: “I could go into any restaurant in the state and the server could tell me every ingredient of every dish on the menu of like fifty things and that person probably didn’t even go to college. And you went to medical school for eight years and you can’t tell me one ingredient in six vaccines?”
[Doctor]: “The product is safe. That’s what I know. That’s all that matters.”
[Mother]: “SAFE?”
[rest of doctors in the room]: “And effective!”
49:47-51:01 Truth that spreads doubt
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:34:34
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“I spend a lot of time talking, particularly in the last six months, ah, with tech companies, Facebook, Whatapp, Pulsar, Twitter, Instagram, Wechat, Weibo, they have a lot of fingers pointing at them to fix the misinformation problem. But it’s not so simple. One, the biggest problem is a lot of it’s not misinformation.”
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Our problem is as we’ve heard in the last forty-eight hours, that there’s not anything 100 percent. And what actually can legally without creating a censorship thing, can we absolutely say, ‘This is misinformation?’ Because we have a lot of ambiguity in the safety field. And we have to come to terms with that.”
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, we have to think about it differently than deleting misinformation. But building trust so people are willing to put up with a certain amount of risk because they believe in it enough. They believe in ug, our work, what we’re doing, and that it’s in their interest.”
51:01 Del comments
Del: “These are the people that are writing the mandates. They oversee the AMA, everybody. This is the World Health Organization. These are the world scientists. This is the woman looking into it.”
Del: “What she’s saying is: Look, we all have to admit that our biggest problem is these things that are being said in these blogs and these posts online – it’s not actually misinformation. … Even though we’ve told CNN to call it misinformation, even though we told the Washington Post, the New York Times to call it misinformation, here inside this room where we forgot the cameras are rolling, we all know deep down it’s not misinformation. It’s true. They found our weakness. We have a real problem now. And we’re losing the people. Somehow, they’re getting the information. Somehow this problem is growing.”
52:18 Vaccine Safety White Paper
Introduction To Vaccine Safety And Policy In The United States
https://icandecide.org/article/introduction-to-vaccine-safety-and-policy-in-the-united-states/
White Paper
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/VaccineSafety-Version-1.0-October-2-2017-1.pdf
52:52-54:28 Power of social media to spread information
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:46:42
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“This is a, a physicist I’m working with at GW in George Washington University is actually an Oxford um, ah, physicist. These are, he is had worked primarily on different kinds of social networks. But I was fascinated by his methods and I said, ‘listen you should look at the vaccine space. So, each of these blobs as he calls them um, are communities. Like a Facebook page which uh are in a code, this group of mothers.”
[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, the green dots are undecided, neutral communities, people interested in vaccines but asking questions. Um, the red are the ah clearly questioning anti communities. And the blue are the positive. Already, you can see the blue is a tighter group and the red more out there. Now, if you look at the numbers, what he was looking at was over a period of time literally a couple months, what is the recruiting pace of the blue positive verses the red in them converting the undecided to their camp or the other?”
[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“It was a five hundred percent faster recruitment by the negative um, than the positiveah vaccine community. That’s fast. And these are not, this is not hypothetical.”
54:28 Del is pleased with this information
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Truth spreads 500% faster than lies. Social media groups can spread facts 500% faster than other methods.
56:00-56:36 Get rid of the term anti-vax
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:30:40
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Our biggest, one of our biggest challenges, I think now, is getting rid of the term anti-vax. Getting rid of the hostile language. And starting to have more conversations, to be open to questions, to make people feel like they shouldn’t be judged when they are asking questions, as crazy as those questions might seem to you, as stupid as they might seem, or as ignorant as they might seem, ah, we can’t risk losing another person’s confidence in safety right now.”
56:59 Stanley Plotkin, MD; World’s Leading Authority on vaccine
57:00 Dr Paul Offit, MD; Director of the Vaccine Education Center, The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia
57:42 Richard Pan; (D) CA State Senator
57:53 Dr Richard Pan Facebook post about Bigtree
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Facebook post
“#Del2slow Bigtree again shows up after the battle is over, like a vulture looting the remains of defeated anti-vaxxers. Del Bigtree was nowhere to be found at any of the four hearings on #SB277 or the final hearings on #SB276. And where was Bigtree on #SB276referendum; defeated without a single signature? Appears even the anti-vaxxers are tired of him; #Vaxxed van looks abandoned. #VaccinesWork #Ivax2protect”
58:32 Calling people names doesn’t work
1:00:22 Natural immunity from mothers last to 1 & ½ years
Mothers pass on natural immunity to measles that lasts one and a half years. If the mother’s breastfeed it last two years.
1:00:33 Vaccinated mothers pass zero immunity to their babies
1:00:40 Vaccine immunity does not last
Vaccine immunity does not last. There are mumps outbreaks. Measles outbreaks and a significant portion of those are fully vaccinated – 38% had vaccine strain measles. 30% had the vaccine and got measles anyway. OR VICE VERSA.
So, the CDC added another MMR in college. The adult schedule has two more MMR shots. The CDC is saying they last shorter and shorter and shorter periods. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
This is a minor childhood illness. In the 60s, there was a concern about the problem if the vaccines fails. A mutant strain could develop that will be dangerous. Just like antibiotics, overuse of vaccines could lead to serious dangers over time.
1:02:22-1:03:06 Humans are vaccine dependent now
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:29:52
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“I think that one of our biggest challenges is, as, as Bob said this morning, yesterday, we’re in a unique position in human history where we’ve shifter ah, the human population to vaccine induced um, to dependency on vaccine induced immunity. And that’s on the great assumption that populations would cooperate. And for many years, people lined up. The six vaccines. People were there. They saw the reason.”
[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“We’re in a very fragile state now. We have developed a world that is dependent on vaccinations. We don’t have a choice but to make that effort.”
1:03:08 we did not vote to have an inferior immunity
When there were six vaccines, people were OK with it. Now there are 54 and people are figuring out that they don’t impart immunity. There are 270 vaccines in the pipeline. That raises red flags.
1:03:38 More Than 270 vax in Pipeline
More Than 270 Vaccines in Biopharmaceutical Pipeline Offer Hope to Prevent/Treat Wide Array of Diseases
270 Vaccines in Biopharmaceutical Pipeline to Prevent_Treat Diseases
1:04:35 IF vax are safe, what difference does it make
1:05:08-1:05:42 Vaccine safety science needs work
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, second part
Timestamp: 1:52:00
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[Dr Heidi Larson, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“There’s a lot of safety science that’s needed. And um, ah, uh, without the good science we can’t have good communication. So, although I’m talking about all these other contextual issues, and communication issues, it absolutely needs the science as the backbone. You can’t repurpose the same old science to make it sound better if you don’t have the science that’s relevant to new problem. So, we need much more investment in safety science.”
1:05:42 Del comments
Isn’t the science settled? There is no science because we have not done it. We have studies from a vaccine we don’t use anymore. That’s like saying look at this old Volkswagen bug that doesn’t have air bags.
1:07:03 What about the other scientists in the room think
1:07:23 Donation campaign
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1:10:39 Margaret Mead quote
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“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” – Margaret Mead
1:13:07 Dr Marion Gruber; Director, Office Of Vaccines Research And Review Center For Biologics Evaluation And Research, FDA
1:13:20-1:14:45 WILL NEED to improve risk management
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 19:01
[Dr Marion Gruber, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“My name is Marion Gruber. I’m with the Office Of Vaccines at the Center For Biologics Evaluation And Research, US Food and Drug Administration. And as I was reading the paper that I was part of writing, I would like to sort of underscore a few points made in that paper and also reflect on some of the issues presented to us regarding novel vaccine platforms.”
[Dr Marion Gruber, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, I think vaccines regardless whether they are generated using new and innovative technology or whether more standard uh, conventional are applied, they do require safety surveillance and monitoring that is specifically tailored to the vaccine that is under consideration using available pharmacovigilance systems. So, in other words, the risk management plan for each particular vaccine will need to take into the consideration the prelicensure safety database, potential safety signals that may have been identified during prelicensure clinical safety trials, other perhaps even theoretical safety concerns. And also need to take into consideration um, the disease to be prevented, the target population, and the proposed indication in order to really inform risk management.”
1:14:45 Del explains
DEL paraphrased: We WILL NEED to do … WILL NEED, it is terrifying. That video would have been cool in 1920. It would have been cool in 1961 before they released the MMR vaccine before we got into this “world dependent on vaccines”.
1:16:46 Plane being flown as it’s being built
These people are literally flying a plane AND trying to build it as it’s in the air and keep it from crashing while it is flying.
1:17:36 ADJUVANTS
1:18:18 Dr Martin Howell Friede; Coordinator, Initiative for Vaccine Research, WHO
1:18:27-1:21:06 Dangers of adjuvants in vaccines
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 14:48
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“I’ll just say a few words about adjuvants. So, adjuvants are added to vaccines for many reasons but primarily to make the vaccines work. And as we enter the next decade, we’re trying to make vaccines against malaria, TB, HIV, GBS, RSV, it is extremely likely that these are going to require adjuvants.”
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“And yet, every time we add an adjuvant to a vaccine, the people that are using the vaccine look at it and if there’s an adverse event, we know what they are going to say. ‘It’s the adjuvant that caused that adverse event.’ We’ve seen clinical studies in the past where a single adverse event has been blamed on the adjuvant in the development trials. And things come to a standstill while we go in and spend many years trying to investigate. Is the theoretical immune stimulation produced by that adjuvant responsible for the adverse event?”
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Now, over the years of GAKS (sp) over the last fifteen years, we’ve seen many accusations. I am going to begin up with Aluminum. So, this was accused of causing um, myo, macrophagic myofasciitis. And yet, this complex word typically only occurs many years a potential administration of the aluminum.”
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[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“And as we go forward with the immunostimulantors like NPL, like sapiens, we are likely to see every time that there is an association, be it temporal or not temporal, the first accusation is, ‘It is the adjuvant.’ And yet, without adjuvants we are not going to have the next generation of vaccines. And many of the vaccines that we do have branching from tetanus through to HPV require adjuvants in order for them to work.”
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, the challenge that we have in front of us is, how do we build confidence in this? And the confidence comes first of all from the regulatory agencies. To Marion [gestures toward Dr Marion Gruber. When we add an adjuvant, it’s because it is essential. We do not add adjuvants to vaccines because we want to do so. But when we add them, it in, it adds to the complexity. And I give courses every year on how do you develop vaccines, how do you make vaccines. And the first lesson is, while your making your vaccine, if you can avoid using an adjuvant, please do so. Lesson two is, if you’re going to use an adjuvant, use one that has a history of safety. And lesson three is, if you’re not going to do that, think very carefully.”
1:21:10 Del explains
Listen to this man: “We wouldn’t’ put adjuvants in vaccines if we didn’t have to. We have to put these dangerous things into vaccines because it’s the only way we’ve figured out to make them work.”
1:21:25 Vaccines can NOT be safe because adjuvants are not safe
They can’t even test adjuvants by themselves. They can’t inject someone with aluminum and others with saline and see how they do. The science shows that the adjuvants cause autoimmune diseases.
1:22:11 Prof Christopher Exley, PhD; Professor in Bioinorganic Chemistry, Keele University Honorary Professor, UHI Millennium Institute
1:22:13 Aluminium in brain tissue in autism
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763
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1:22:36 Dr Romain K Gherardi; Neuromuscular Pathologist University of Paris-Est
1:22:39 Macrophagic myofasciitis: characterization and pathophysiology
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0961203311429557
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3623725/
1:24:00 Dr Stephen Evans; Professor of Pharmacoepidemiology
1:24:08-1:25:11 Adjuvant multiply incidence of adverse reactions
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 40:57
[Dr Stephen Evans, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“It seems to me that adjuvants multiply the immunogenicity of the antigens that they are ah, added to, that is their intention. It seems to me they multiply the reactogenicity in many instances. And therefore, it seems to me that it is not unexpected if they multiply the incidence of adverse reactions that are associated with the antigen but may not have been detected through lack of statistical power in the original studies. Now, I wonder if this thinking is correct. And if it is, whether this has some implications for the way we do pharmacovigilance. Because one vaccine that is, has one antigen and an adjuvant and another vaccine that has a different antigen and no adjuvant, the reason for the difference is not immediately obvious.”
1:24:12 Del explains
DEL: “If this adjuvant ramps up the power of the antigen, then it can ramp up anything else it comes in contact within the body. What about giving another vaccine at the same time that does not need an adjuvant. It could ramp up the amount of autoimmune disease in the future…. Is it possible they could ramp up the immune system in the future in a way that we do not want?”
1:26:10-1:27:49 Answer – we don’t have the data
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 42:14
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, with, with the local reactogenicity, you are correct. Um, as we add adjuvants, especially some of the more recent adjuvants such as the ASO-1 sapien derived adjuvants, we do see increased local reactogenicity. The primary concern those, usually is systemic adverse events rather than local adverse events. And we, we tend to get in the phase two and the phase three studies quite good data on the local reactogenicity. Those of us in this room that are beyond the age of fifty who’ve had the pleasure of having the recent shingles vaccine will know that this does have quite significant local reactogenicity. If you got the vaccine, you know that you got the vaccine.”
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Ah, but this is not the major health concern. The major health concern which we are seeing are accusations of long-term, long-term effects. So, what we have to bear in mind is that we don’t use adjuvants by themselves. The adjuvant is used in combination with an antigen. And an adjuvant may be, give quite different responses depending on which antigen it is combined with. So, the fact that an adjuvant is shown to be safe with one antigen might give a different response with anther antigen because of other things that are with it that act with that second antigen including impurities.”
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, to come back to this I’m going to once again point to the regulators. It comes down to ah, um, ensuring that we, we conduct the phase 2 and phase 3 studies with adequate size and with the ad, appropriate measurement.”
1:29:50 Chronic illness vs vaccine schedule chart
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Bethel et.al, 2011, A national and State Profiles of Leading Health Problems and Health Car Quality for US children: Key Insurance Disparities and Across-State Variations, Academic Pediatrics
https://www.academicpedsjnl.net/article/S1876-2859(10)00250-0/fulltext
Cleave er. Al, 2010, Dynamics of Obesity and Chronic Health Conditions Among Children and Youth, JAMA
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185391
1:30:15-1:32:28 They don’t know how adjuvants work
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 43:55
[Dr Martin Howell Friede, PhD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Doing surveillance is necessary. But coming, understanding how these things work is also necessary. So that we can access plausibility”
[Dr David Kaslow, MD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, in our clinical trials we are actually using relatively small sample sizes. And when we do that, we’re at risk of tyranny of small numbers which is, you just need a single case of Wegener's granulomatosis, and your vaccine has to solve Walt’s how do you prove a null hypothesis? And it takes years and years to try to figure, to figure that out. So, it’s a real conundrum. Right, getting the right, the right size, dealing with the tyranny of small numbers, making sure that can [garbled]. And so I think one of the things that we really need to invest in are kinda better biomarkers, better mechanistic understanding of how these things work so we can better understand um, adverse events as they come up.”
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[Dr Marion Gruber, PhD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“One of the additional issues that complicates safety evaluation is if you look at and you struggle with the length of follow up that should be adequate in a say prelicensure or even post marketing study if that’s even possible. Because I mean one has to acknowledge the longer you follow up, the more you perhaps see adverse events that have nothing to do with the adjuvant vaccine combination. But maybe again coincidental. But the problem is you know how do you deal with that data. And again, as you mentioned prelicensure clinical trials may not be powered enough.”
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[Dr Marion Gruber, PhD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“It’s also the subject population that you administer the adjuvant to. Because we’ve seen data presented to us where an adjuvant a particular adjuvant added to a vaccine antigen did really nothing when administered to a certain population. And it’s usually the elderly. You know, compared to, to administering the same formulation to younger age strata., So, these are the things which ah need to be considered as well and further complicate safety and effectiveness of adjuvants combined with vaccines antigens.”
1:32:30 Del who put these 3rd graders in charge or our health
DEL: “It’s like watching third graders in charge of our health…. This is so far from settled science it is shocking.”
1:33:28 Dr David Kaslow, MD; V.P., Essential Medicines, Drug Development Program PATH Center for Vaccine Innovation and Access (CVIA)
1:33:32 Dr Martin Howell Friede; Coordinator, Initiative for Vaccine Research, WHO
1:33:36 Dr Marion Gruber; Director, Office Of Vaccines Research And Review Center For Biologics Evaluation And Research, FDA
1:35:56 days of monitoring vaccines
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Drugs are tested for YEARS. Vaccines are tested for DAYS. How does that make any sense? Vaccines have living antigens that are designed to spread. And they are claiming that shorter testing periods make sense?
1:39:44 PREGNANT WOMEN – NEW TARGET POPULATION
1:39:48-1:40:34 Pregnant women are untapped source
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 46:59
[Dr David Kaslow, MD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Coming down the pike um, maybe relatively quickly is a new target population for us in vaccines. And that’s maternal immunization. And these are um, women who are pregnant who will have all kinds of adverse events associated with their pregnancy.”
[Dr David Kaslow, MD, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Part of the problem is, is that we don’t have a strong enough pharmacoepidemiologic baseline in the target populations that we’re studying to be able to say, ‘Is this an expected adverse event due to pregnancy? Or is this related to the vaccine?’ So, I do think an investment in that kind of epidemiologic base line is going to be critically important if we don’t want to derail some of our maternal immunization vaccines as they go into low resource settings.”
pharmacoepidemiologic = “Pharmacoepidemiology is a scientific discipline that uses epidemiological methods to evaluate the use, benefits and risks of medical products and interventions in human populations. To accomplish this study, pharmacoepidemiology borrows from both pharmacology and epidemiology.”
1:40:35 Del explains
We know adjuvants work differently in the elderly compared to children. What about a fetus?
They used to say, “get a pregnancy test BEFORE you get a vaccine” because the one thing we know we don’t want to do is give you a vaccine after you are pregnant.
1:41:40 CDC Advertising vax to pregnant women
1:42:24-1:42:47 ACIP Pregnant women vax use is off label
October 2017 ACIP Meeting - Adult Immunization ; Child/Adolescent Immunization ; JE vaccine
October 2017 ACIP Meeting Adult Child Adolescent Immunization JE vaccine
Vaccines in pregnant women
HighWire timestamp 1:13:26 YouTube timestamp 19:59
NOTE: Dr Sun is the person at the CDC ACIP meetings who deals with the lawsuits against vaccines. The HSRA program underneath Health and Human services.
TRANSCRIPT
[Nana Bennett; October 2017 ACIP Meeting - Adult Immunization ; Child/Adolescent Immunization ; JE vaccine]: “Dr. Sun”
[Dr. Wellington Sun, FDA; October 2017 ACIP Meeting - Adult Immunization ; Child/Adolescent Immunization ; JE vaccine]: “Yes, I just want to make a clarification on the use of vaccines in pregnancy. Unless there's a study of that vaccine in pregnant women, ah, even though that age indication, you know, may fall within that age indication, it's still not considered, still, use in pregnant women would still be considered off label.”
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1:43:08 Del Explains
It is illegal for a vaccine maker to put up a poster claiming you should use this product knowing it’s an off-label usage. Since shots have not been tested on pregnant women, the manufacturers can not advertise to pregnant women.
Only a government agency can get away with that. So, ICAN sued the FDA for the studies involving pregnant women.
ICAN FOIA’d the FDA for the trials using pregnant women. The FDA had no studies at all using pregnant women.
1:43:44 ICAN FOIA for flu studies in pregnant women
Stipulated Order Showing FDA’s Off-Label Use of Vaccines During Pregnancy
Order
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ICAvFDA-Resolved-Court-Filed-Copy.pdf
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ICAN-v-FDA-Resolved-Court-Filed-Copy-Copy.pdf
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“These requests sought the clinical trials relied upon by the FDA prior to approving any currently licensed influenza or Tdap vaccine for use in pregnant women as an indicated use. … We have no records responsive to your requests.”
1:44:45 This is Del’s dream moment
1:45:28 WOBBLY CONFIDENCE OF DOCTORS AT THE CONFERENCE
1:46:02-1:47:33 Dr Okposen interaction of adjuvants
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Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 52:00
[Dr Bassey Okposen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“As we’re having these discussions, something was just going through my mind, in which I will need clarification. Outside vaccines, for instance we take [garbled] each other and there are so many other drugs like that.
[Dr Bassey Okposen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“I cast back my mind to our situation in Nigeria, where at six weeks, ten weeks, fourteen weeks, a child is being given different antigens from different companies, and these vaccines have different adjuvants, different preservatives, and so on… We go again to nine months… Currently the child at nine months will receive maybe eight. That same child will receive yellow fever. That same child will receive measles vaccine.”
[Dr Bassey Okposen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Something crosses my mind… Is there a possibility of these adjuvants, preservatives, cross-reacting amongst themselves? Has there ever been a study on the possibilities of cross-reactions, [garbled] that you can share the experience with us? Because this is one thing that is also crossing my mind, going back home. This is an area that will need to work with the regulatory agency. Let’s even see what is happening. Is there any possibility?”
[Dr Bassey Okposen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, we’ll need guidance from the panel members whether there has ever been any study on these cross-reactions, of multiple antigens from different companies given to each other at the same time. What counsel do you have for us? Thank you.”
1:47:40 Same question at ACIP meeting
1:48:19-1:48:52 ACIP says different limbs makes different adjuvants safe
February 21, 2018 ACIP Meeting - Hepatitis Vaccines
YouTube Timestamp 48:03
[Unidentified male speaker at ACIP meeting October 2017]:
“Is there any comment on using this vaccine the same time with other adjuvanted vaccines?”
[Unidentified female speaker at ACIP meeting October 2017]:
“We have no data to, uh, make, um, a recommendation one way or the other.”
[Amanda Cohn, ACIP meeting October 2017]:
“So, um …just so you … just to sort of put this in context of other vaccines, um, whilst pre-clinical studies were not done using these vaccine simultaneously, our general approach to immunizations is that, um, they should be given … they can be given at the same time in different, um, limbs.”
1:48:52 Del reacts
1:49:01 Dr Bassey Okposen; Program Manager, National Emergency Routine Immunization Coordination Centre (NERICC), Abuja, Nigeria
1:49:28-1:52:20 WHO answer is combo safe
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 53:40
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[Dr Robert Chen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“This is a very important question. Ah, because in general the clinical trials with any particular new product ah, frequently is done ah, just by itself. And then ultimately, frequently, the regulators will ask if that vaccine could be added to the routine immunization program. And so for if we’re going, a trial is done with that new vaccine ah, in addition to the regular ah, regiment.”
[Dr Robert Chen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“But your question is almost kind of the next step. Ah, because in real practice frequently there multiple vaccines from different manufacturers that they maybe receive at a different age schedules etcetera. And if you take a look at the um, immunization schedule over the last, ah, let’s say fifteen twenty years in high income countries um, as well as in low resource countries, ah the schedule has gotten more and more complex. And so, if you take a look at the um, exposure, what we call the vaccine exposure in the typical adverse event report to a spontaneous reporting system in any country, you’ll see that increase in heterogeneity of those different vaccine exposures especially if you take the manufacturer into account.”
[Dr Robert Chen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Now the only way to tease that out is if you have a large population database like the Vaccine safety Datalink as well as some of the other national databases that are coming to be worthy, actual vaccine exposure is tracked down to that level of specificity of who is the manufacturer. What is the lot number? Etcetera etcetera. And, and there’s initiative to try to make the ah, vaccine label information bar coded so that it includes that level of information so that in the future, when we do these type of studies, we are able to tease that out.”
[Dr Robert Chen, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“And in order to be, each time you subdivide then the sample size gets becoming more and more challenging. And that’s what I said earlier today about that we’re really only in the beginning of the era of large datasets where hopefully you could start to ah, kina, ah, harmonize the databases for multiple studies. Ah, there actually ah, ah, initiative under way ah, Helen, there, ah, ah, ah may want to comment on it to try to get more national vaccine safety database ah linked together so we could start to answer these type of questions that you just raised.”
1:52:20 Del summarizes and comments
DEL: That was a lot of words to get to “So we can START TO ANSWER THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS”. These are the professionals saying these things are not tested in their own voice.
Here are things he said in Del’s words:
“Your question leads us to the next step. The step we haven’t gotten to. The step we should have gotten to before we started trying to fly this place before it was built.”
They give so many at a well-baby visit that there’s no way to isolate which one is causing problems.
The answer is the studies have not been done. There are not studies showing that combining all these shots with the different antigens and adjuvants and manufacturers is in any way safe.
1:54:59 childhood schedule no studies have been done
The Childhood Immunization Schedule and Safety: Stakeholder Concerns, Scientific Evidence, and Future Studies (2013)
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/13563/chapter/2#5
Full Book
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See chapter 2
Page 6
“…studies designed to examine the long-term effects of the cumulative number of vaccines or other aspects of the immunization schedule have not been conducted.”
Page 6
“…existing research has not been designed to test the entire immunization schedule.”
Page 5-6
“No studies have compared the differences in health outcomes … between entirely unimmunized populations of children and fully immunized children.”
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. The Childhood Immunization Schedule and Safety: Stakeholder Concerns, Scientific Evidence, and Future Studies. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/13563
1:56:30 WHO public safety claims vs meeting
1:57:40-1:58:58 WHO commercial vaccines are safe
YouTube timestamp: 1:02
Transcript
[Dr Soumya Swaminathan, WHO chief scientist]:
“Vaccines are very safe. If someone gets sick after vaccination, it is usually either a coincidence, an error in administering the vaccine, or very rarely a problem with the vaccine itself. That's why we have vaccine safety systems. Robust vaccine safety systems allow health workers and experts to react immediately to any problems that may arise. They can examine the problem. Rigorously and scientifically look at the data. And then promptly address the problem. WHO works closely with countries to make sure that vaccines can do what they do best prevent disease without risks. New vaccines against malaria, meningitis, and encephalitis in Asia and Africa are now being thoroughly monitored with support from WHO. Vaccines are one of the safest tools we have to prevent disease and ensure a healthy future for all children.”
1:58:59 Del major points
Do they know? Did Dr Soumya Swaminathan know when they made this commercial? Or did she only learn about the abysmal state of vaccine safety during the meeting?
“Vaccines is one of the safest ways we can make you healthy here in India.”
“Even if there is an issue, you should know we have a robust vaccine safety surveillance program in place. So, if there’s any issue, we catch it right away. And we’re able to make the changes so that we can ensure to you that all these new vaccines we’re telling you, you need that they are perfectly safe.”
“Everything’s monitored by the World Health Organization and vaccines are one of the safest things, best studied products we have for your health.”
What does she say four days later at this meeting?
1:59:24 Dr Soumya Swaminathan; Chief Scientist, W.H.O.; Pediatrician
2:01:03-2:02:20 Dr Swaminathan there are no safety systems in place
Day 2, Dec 3, 2019 Tuesday Afternoon, first part
Timestamp: 29:15
[Dr Soumya Swaminathan, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“I think we cannot overemphasize the fact that we really don’t have very good safety monitoring systems in many countries. And this adds to the miscommunication and the misapprehensions because we’re not able to give clearcut answers when people ask questions about the deaths that have occurred due to a particular vaccine. And this always gets blown up in the media. One should be able to give a, a very factual account of what is happening and what the cause of deaths are. But in most cases, there’s some obfuscation at that level. And, and therefore, there’s less and less trust then in, in the system.”
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[Dr Soumya Swaminathan, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“Putting in place the mechanisms whether they’re cohort studies or whether they’re sentinel surveillance sites to be able to, ah to monitor ah what’s going on and report back. And then for corrective action to be taken because unexpected things could arise after introduction. And one always has to be prepared. As we’ve seen in the history of many drugs, you’ve heard about, I mean learnt about adverse events only after the drugs been licensed and introduced into the population.”
[Dr Soumya Swaminathan, W.H.O. Global Vaccine Safety Summit, December 2-3, 2019]:
“So, I think that risk is always there. And the population needs to understand that and feel confident that mechanisms are being put in place to study some of those things.”
2:02:21 Del comments
Can we say that this woman is lying? She admits that there are not safety surveillance systems in most countries. She admits that there will be injuries. This is all four days after saying, “Vaccines are one of the safest tools we have”.
The trials are not powered enough to show safety.
How can anyone take away your right to exempt out of getting these untested products with no safety surveillance?
Del: “Is the WHO lying to you? Let me go out on a limb here: YES!”
2:05:11 Del’s final thoughts
What am I inspired to do with this information right now. We can change the world. We can change the world this year. You can tell the truth. The truth will win the day.
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Screenshot from The HighWire Episode 145: WHO IS LYING TO YOU?